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Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:38pm

I see what you mean.... And in that case I think both Astrocartography and Travel Astrology can be useful in tandem. Though I tend to think of the former in terms of major life changes: making a move, taking a new job, etc. But ultimately the kind of synchronicity you mention (things manifesting, interactions) IMO is more the bailiwick of "traditional" astrology, which can help pinpoint when the time is ripe to do things (or not). But obviously it all derives from your natal chart...

Comment by Kat Morgenstern on October 13, 2010 at 5:35pm

the thing about the wine also has to do with temperature and atmospheric pressure etc etc. all wine connoisseurs say the same thing - the wine never tastes the same somewhere else, so best to drink the local stuff, wherever you are.

Comment by Kat Morgenstern on October 13, 2010 at 5:33pm

I meant more in terms of interactions - the people one meets, opportunities one runs into, projects that just happen to manifest because the time and the place are ripe and you are there to do them. But, perhaps that derives from my sense of being a wanderer. I have never really lived in the same place for more than 2 - 3 years.

Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:30pm

yes, I agree with your view (and I suspect your politics). And that's admittedly where things can get murky. Especially with "older" destinations, obviously. And there's of course the issue of indigenous peoples... In Guatemala's case, the first usage was "western" based on Mayan place names.... but it was also as a Captaincy-General, as I noted, that included most of Central America. But ultimately, "democracy" (at least in the sense that so-called "free" elections were held) is as good a starting point for a country. A great test would be to compare charts for South Africa at various "birthdates." Hmmmm.

Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:25pm

Absolutely, I agree: right place right time (or wrong) does suggest synchronicity. As does the whole idea of having a calling, both in the grand scheme of things and in the moment. I have a strong sense of place as well. Never been able to recreate great meals (and wine pairings) quite the same way at home; Some experiences are truly site-specific....though looking at an artwork or craft from my travels happily takes me back.

Comment by Kat Morgenstern on October 13, 2010 at 5:24pm

It is very difficult to determine a specific date for a country to be born, but I would go by the most original and earliest date at which the name was applied and the country defined itself as an entity, no matter under what kind of government. Considering the first democratic election would colour the event too much with my own philosophy of what a country should be. Although no doubt the first democratic election should feature prominently in a country's chart anyhow.

Comment by Kat Morgenstern on October 13, 2010 at 5:20pm

Well, to be honest, I have not gone into astrocartography very deeply, but I have lived and traveled in many, many places. And, of course I have checked the lines afterwards. Interestingly, all the places that played a significant role in my life did have major lines run through them. I have not pondered their exact significance, but I did find it intriguing as I have quite a strong sense of place. What I mean by that is that I have always felt that there is a 'time and a place' for everything, and that places have 'called me' at different times. So, yes, for me there has been some synchronicity there

Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:18pm

Glenn Malec also wrote a multi-volume World Horoscopes list. I find it more fun to see if I can't come up with appropriate dates on my own. He lists Guatemala as 9/15/1965 (when the first real "modern" democratic constitution was supposedly approved). I think that would be the default---just hoping I could find something more "interesting" since the country did exist independently (albeit as a military dictatorship) for over a century prior to that date...

Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:13pm

Hey Kat. I actually have Campion's book (took awhile to locate it years ago when it was OP), which is incredibly well-researched. And for the most part, pretty damn accurate!

Comment by Jordan Simon on October 13, 2010 at 5:11pm

Hey Kat. Yes, astrocartography is cool and can be valid. Though honestly I've never found it truly worked for me (of course, I haven't checked my love life in Dakar, Senegal, which is where my Venus runs!).

But it's not quite the same as travel astrology... Cartography takes your birth chart and superimposes it on a global grid to determine places where you might find happiness or disaster in general throughout life: one of JFK's most catastrophic lines runs right through Dallas. But IMHO the approach is too arcane for average readers/travelers. Intriguing stuff, though! Did you find any of it true and/or enlightening?

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